Sanyo PLV-Z3000 projector - First Look
December 2nd, 2008 Art Feierman
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Greetings everyone! Hope everyone enjoyed the long Thanksgiving weekend (US only…).
The Sanyo projector has been in use since the weekend. I still haven’t spent a great deal of time watching movies and movie segments, but have logged a fair amount of time on HDTV and sports. The Z3000 has an MSRP of $3295, but I’m still waiting to hear the MAP price, which tends to indicate the online sales price. I’ve emailed Sanyo, and waiting to hear back. Since I haven’t heard, my thought about pricing is that Sanyo will match, and maybe beat, the Panasonic MAP pricing of $2499 for their PT-AE3000. Sanyo loves to slug it out with Panasonic, and rarely lets Panasonic under price them. We’ll know in a couple of days!
I’m hoping to publish the full review on Friday, or more likely, this Saturday.
The PLV-Z3000 has surprised me in a few ways. First, and most significantly is in terms of brightness. While the measured brightness in “best” (Pure Cinema) and other movie modes (Creative Cinema and Brilliant Cinema), are very similar to last year’s PLV-Z2000, but the shocker is in its brightest mode. While we never managed to measure much more than 600 lumens with the Z2000 -
The PLV-Z3000 is almost twice as bright, in brightest mode! Mike came up with a measurement of just over 1100 lumens. This moves the Sanyo from a below average projector in brightness to one that is still below average in best mode, but solidly average in brightest. This change should allow the PLV-Z3000 projector to appeal to a much larger number of home theater projector buyers.
Black level performance is definitely a real improvement over the PLV-Z2000 it replaces, and the lower cost PLV-Z700 (which isn’t quite as good as the Z2000). That’s the really good news.
The PLV-Z3000 is superior to the Z700 and other “entry level” 1080p projectors (like the Mitsubishi HC5500 and most low cost DLP projectors), in terms of black level performance. It looks so far, though, to not be a match for the old Epson 1080 UB, or for that matter, the new Panasonic PT-AE3000 (and almost certainly the newer Epson UB projectors shipping later this month.
That said, it is in the same class, in terms of black levels of these other projectors with similar high contrast specs, being much closer to any of those, than, say, to the PLV-Z700. In other words, it passes a threshold of black level performance that I consider good enough that other factors become more important.
What I’ve just written above about black levels is still just opinion based on early viewing. Later this evening I’ll be running the PLV-Z3000 side by side with the Panasonic PT-AE3000U, and probably at least one other projector. In addition, the full photo shoot will be done tonight, which will allow me to compare actual black level performance on different scenes.
At the same time, I’ll be comparing the Panasonic and the Sanyo in terms of creative frame interpolation. I’m still not sold on creative frame interpolation. I can spot the improvement when looking for it, but, still not sure, that, for example, you are watching someone’s face, while the background is panning by, that anyone is actually watching the background. Keep in mind, the cinema photography techniques used by directors assumes the problems of 24 fps, and so they tend to limit the speed of pans, unless they really want a seriously blurred effect. That holds true for the focus of a scene, be it a person’s face, or someone walking/running. Normally the camera will follow the “target” to avoid the blur.
But, I digress. Back to the Sanyo.
This time around, Mike did the measurements and calibration, and Pure Cinema looks really good, but not very bright. He did what we call around here, a “quick calibrate” of the Brilliant Cinema mode, which has over 500 lumens, and which many Z2000 users reported they favored over the dimmer cinema modes. I’m not completely satisfied with that (Brilliant Cinema) mode yet (a bit oversaturated, etc., so am still tweaking that one).
Looking at the basics, the Z3000 is a 3 LCD projector with the latest Epson D7 C2Fine inorganic panels - the same ones in the Panasonic PT-AE3000, the Mitsubishi HC7000, and the forthcoming Epson Home Cinema 6500 UB (and Pro Cinema 7500 UB). it has a manual zoom lens with 2:1 zoom ratio - and lots of lens shift, both vertical and horizontal, making for excellent placement flexibility.
The Menu system is classic Sanyo, with multi-page menus. Not bad, but takes some getting used to. I keep looking for things, until I remember that Image Adjust, Picture, etc. all have multiple pages to scroll through.
The Z3000 has 2 hdmi 1.3 inputs, with full support for 24 fps and Deep Color. I already mentioned creative frame interpolation, which means 96/120 fps output. The Sanyo, Panasonic, and the two forthcoming Epson UB’s are the only lower cost projectors so far to do creative frame interpolation. The Mitsubishi HC7000, which otherwise is a direct competitor, only doubles 24 fps to 48, and without creative frame creative.
The Sanyo is not only brighter (at its brightest) than the older Z2000, but also the lower cost, new Z700, another surprise.
For the first time I can recall (ok, since the old Sanyo PLV-70 of years ago), I got to watch a Sanyo projector and not feel starved for lumens. I had the PLV-Z3000 filling almost all of my 128″ Firehawk G3 for an afternoon of football, and it not only did well with my moderate ambient light, but had lots of punch to the image. An even bigger surprise, it was a pretty “clean” bright mode. Sure, greens and yellows were strong (as is typical of brightest modes) but not pushed anywhere near as “over the top” as most other home theater projectors. In other words, just over 1100 lumens, but pretty good looking ones. I have my Epson 1080 UB putting out about 1650 lumens - a step up in brightness (in its Dynamic mode), but the Sanyo, though dimmer, produces a distinctly more natural looking picture. (I’m impressed).
OK that’s enough for now. I realize most of you really want to hear about how it stacks up to the Panasonic, but you’ll have to wait for the full review, since, as noted, I’m just about to start observing that.
One more thing - Sanyo still comes with a 3 year warranty. The Panasonic, at the moment is offering a 1 year, but with a mail-in “rebate” for a second year of coverage.
Stay tuned.
BTW, in addition to the Sanyo review this weekend, I’m going to try to get a short review posted on the new Elite fixed screen, with their new acoustic material surface. Their first attempt I found somewhat lacking, this one is much improved. Adios - for now. -art
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December 2nd, 2008 at 8:51 pm
The street price for the PLV-Z3000 seems to be only $2395US.
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Hi Ty, Have you seen an authorized dealer posting that price, or if not, how did you hear it. I had heard that price bandied about, but haven’t been able to confirm yet. -art
December 2nd, 2008 at 8:58 pm
Do the panny and Sanyo interpolation have a similar look to the 120hz lcd TV or does only the Sanyo have that look since it is actually 120hz? Do either of them have that look at all ?
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Hi Kevin,
Well, first, I’m no expert on LCDTV’s I have two projector based home theaters - my JVC RS1 with Firehawk G3 screen, and my Epson Ensemble HD (where I have just replaced the standard Epson Home Cinema 1080, with the Home Cinema 1080 UB.
The largest LCDTV in my house is a 15″ (in the kitchen), so I really haven’t looked at large 120 hz LCDTVs.
That aside, best I can figure it, going to 96 or 120 hz (fps) really isn’t going to accomplish much of anything, unless there is creative frame interpolation. Simply repeating the same identical frame twice, for half the duration, may affect some minor issues, but it’s not going to deal with the motion blur aspects that creative frame interpolation claims to.
I’m not a gamer, although gamers seem to report the faster hz LCDTV’s are better for their purpose (assuming no extra lag).
When I view the Panasonic with creative on, for 96 hz, I can see the differences, mostly when hunting for them, and I assume the same for any LCDTV with the same type of frame interpolation. The speed, however, of the LCD panels, in projectors, these days, are still (at least on paper) fast enough, in terms of persistence, to not be a blur problem in their own right. (my take).
That’s a long email answer, without an answer for you. Sorry about that.
December 2nd, 2008 at 9:47 pm
I pre ordered her for that price
Thanks Ty, I appreciate the response. (dealer deleted for the usual reasons). They are authorized and would adhere to Sanyo’s MAP pricing. -art
December 2nd, 2008 at 9:57 pm
As a following note, I chose the PLV-Z3000 because of it’s Epson 120Hz panels, but older Pixelworks processing as used in the Epson 1080UB and Sanyo PLV-Z2000. The new Epson 6500UB uses Pixelworks combined with the Reon. The Reon is a very impressive processor, but it does have minor but at least notable gaming lag issues (Surely not an issue for the casual gamer). Without a side by side comparison, I can safely assume that the Epson 6500UB will have better scaling for movie enthusiasts, where as the Sanyo Z3000 will have a slightly more desirable gaming experience.
December 3rd, 2008 at 12:05 am
Hey
I got a google alert on this article as I”m considering a Sanyo Z3000 . I’ve also been looking at the Panasonic AE3000 as well, so am really looking forward to your upcoming article on the comparisons!
Thanks for putting this online!
Eric
December 3rd, 2008 at 6:44 am
You wrote:
“Sanyo still comes with a 3 year warranty. The Panasonic, at the moment is offering a 1 year, but with a mail-in “rebate” for a second year of coverage”
I like this about the sanyo. However we have had great success with the panasonics so far. We haven’t seen any projector come close to the JVC rs1 “blackest” blacks as the panasonic.
It will be interesting to see how you comapare the sanyo to the PT-AE300
December 3rd, 2008 at 7:36 am
Hi Art,
Well after months of waiting, reading reviews left and right I finally ordered the Mits HC7000.A last minute price increase on the infocus 83 due to the canadian dollar exchange resulted in a 1600 price difference which I felt was a bit too strong.Thank you very much for your reviews and the work you put in on this site, it is very helpful.After reading the above Sanyo review I just hope the Mits will be bright enough with my 100″ 1.1 screen innovations reference white gain screen.It has been an interesting project picking a projector due to the fact that not many dealers have them to display. I compare it to going to a car dealership,not being able to demo drive a model to see what it is like.Oh well, just lucky enough to get one period I guess!Cheers and thx Greg
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Well, hi Greg.
Oh you should be just fine with a 100″ screen for your movie watching, etc. Not knowing your ambient light for other viewing…? Let me know what you think of your setup a couple three weeks after it’s up and running. (once the “newness” wears off).
BTW, things aren’t any better, it seems, anywhere in the world. It’s almost impossible to get a demo anywhere, it seems of an under $3000 projector, nevermind being able to compare them.
It’s no better down here, in the heart of southern California. -art
December 6th, 2008 at 10:45 pm
Price is $2395 and a $200 rebate
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thanks, verified. -art
December 9th, 2008 at 8:49 am
All in all, it seems that this new Sanyo, along with the Panasonic PT-AE3000, has little more than the frame interpolation feature to offer in comparison with the older Epson 1080ub which, I take, remains one of the best buy (if you don’t mind the fact is is a little noisier).
This frame creation seems to be more useful in some cases(movies in native 24fps) than in others (50 or 60 fps). But I have no clue if it makes a difference for PC users.
That is, I only use my videoprojector from my PC (for either movie watching and gaming), and I wonder if it is worth spending the extra money for frame creation, or better running for one of the last Epson 1080’s.
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That’s one good question, and I don’t have the answer. My guess (pure conjecture) is; yes it still makes the same difference on a PC based system. I still don’t think it’s a big thing, and there’s the issue of using creative frame interpolation smoothing out blur that is intentional. When all kinds of things are moving fast, such as the Transformers changing shape, in that movie, I suspect that CFI makes that motion seem less fast and blurry than without. And, it may be that the viewer using CFI is losing something in terms of the effect intended.
The 1080 UB is a great value. We all have to figure out if the feature improvements CFI, high frame rate, are worth the difference. Since I am constantly switching out projectors in my main theater - probably have watched at least 5 different projectors in the last 10 days, including several for more than one session. (I only “watch content” in that room. In my testing room I watch for “projector issues”.) As such, I often forget what I have fired up. I’ve learned now, that I can identify the Sanyo Z3000 or the Panasonic PT-AE3000 by looking for motion blur in certain things, but if I don’t pay attention, I just don’t notice whether I’m using a projector that has it. (Sort of like having a projector with a very good dynamic iris.)
Certainly the 6500 UB promises to be a better projector than the 1080 UB (and more money), but the Panasonic is an “equal but different” projector than the 1080 UB, as it has advantages (like CFI, or high frame rate), but still can’t match the black levels of the 1080 UB.
Bottom line: When choosing among excellent choices, they will almost certainly all please most buyers, usually exceeding most expectations. We tend to quibble and argue a lot, over the last 5% of performance. -art
December 11th, 2008 at 1:12 pm
Art, December 2nd was soooo long ago!!
Have you received your Epson 6500 yet?
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Hi Steve!
To answer the question - No!
Epson’s PR firm still hasn’t received their 6100 and 6500 UB (or 7100, 7500 UB) review units yet. They still say “December”, and I’m at the top of the list (with Projector Central). The UB will move to the front of my projectors to review, as soon as it arrives, as it is the key “missing projector review” that the majority of shoppers are waiting for.
I call and harass them at least 3 times a week. I’ll post a blog, the second I know it’s on the way. -art
December 13th, 2008 at 9:46 am
Thanks Art………
Hang in there…. we are all quite patient you know
December 14th, 2008 at 9:36 pm
Hi Art.
Im new on this projector war! this will be my first one! so i need some help! i had been tracking the new sanyo z3000 but im not to sure yet!,I have a 27*17 room and i will like to put a 150″ screen but dont know what kind shut i buy i have a good control light ! and if the sanyo will be good enough for that. also i can only install the projector on the celling about 24 feet from the screen. i will be using this for sports and every other movie night. Do u recoment something else? thanks!
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Greetings Chino,
150 inch diagonal is really large, and a challenge for even the brightest home theater projectors. On the plus side, your 24 feet distance (from front of lens?) has you using almost any 3LCD projector (or LCoS), very close to the lenses’ most wide angle setting, where it has the most lumens. For example, the Z3000, has about 18% more lumens, than in mid-telephoto range (mid is where I base my maximum screen size recommendations).
I expect that the more expensive Epson 6500 UB, and the less expensive Epson Home Cinema 6100 will be about 20% brighter than the Sanyo, but don’t have the numbers yet for the Epson’s. It’s unlikely, that with a 150″ screen size, that any of the DLP projectors will work due to their limited zoom lens range. But, it will be close, so you might check the distance range on the Optoma HD806. I’m assuming the InFocus IN83, which is the brightest around short of the Optoma HD81-LV, is out of your budget range, as it’s twice the price of the Sanyo. Traditionally the Epsons put out 1600 - 1900 lumens in Dynamic mode (lens at mid-point), making them the brightest of the 3LCD projectors available.
Look for the Epson 6500 UB review next weekend, but I’ll be blogging about it on Monday, most likely,with preliminary opinions and basic measurements.
Best of luck! -art