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	<title>Comments on: Epson Home Cinema 6500 UB - Second Look - Frame Interpolation plus</title>
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	<description>'Ramblin On':  Thoughts on projectors being reviewed, related products, and tips for users -art</description>
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		<title>By: Randomcreek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randomcreek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Dec 2008 01:35:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Art !  I'm glad you are getting into the nitty gritty details of the various frame interpolation issues- and on X-mas eve to boot- you are the man.  Cheers.

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Thanks! hang in there! -art</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Art !  I&#8217;m glad you are getting into the nitty gritty details of the various frame interpolation issues- and on X-mas eve to boot- you are the man.  Cheers.</p>
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Thanks! hang in there! -art</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Dec 2008 01:58:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Art, well your latest talk about the interpolation features totally failing has me back on the fence. Knowing that I need good fast motion for my football games etc, would you go back to recommending the BenQ w5k? I'm assuming that Epson will be having a few FW updates in the near future to try to fix this problem. If they do, how easy will it be to get the newer FW on my epson? Would they just send me a new unit?

I'm dissappointed that there is such a problem with their interpolation...why even include it if it fails so miserably. The AE3000's interpolation seems to work very well, I wonder why Epson's is not...

Merry Christmas

-Jim
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Hi Jim!  Don't stress out yet.  It's Christmas Eve!  have a brandy!   As you probably know from my site, I still don't see frame interpolation as a big thing for most people.  I barely notice at all in general, and it seems from what I've read, it is in one way, like the rainbow effect, it affects everyone differently, or not at all.  I read an interesting article just a few days ago, as part of trying to sort this all out.

First of all, I haven't tried switching my PS3 back to not outputting 24fps.  I know that some processors will reverse process back to 24 and restart from there.  So, while as of right now, but maybe not a few hours from now, I haven't done that yet.  It could be great, or it might not be.

With much thinking about this, I wonder, as over the next 2-3 years everything switches to 120hz, if film directors won't start factoring that in to the motion affects they plan.  With first class creative frame interpolation, super high motion scenes will slow down a bit - Transformers immediately comes to mind.  In a sense, with the PT-AE3000, turning creative frame on, makes a lot of the motion of the transformers changing, or the fight scenes, seem a little slow or less exciting than with it off.  So, while it is definitely useful for sports, I like the philosophical argument that frame interpolation is inherently less film like, and can distort, "the director's intent".  Wouldn't want that now, would we.

But the main thing - to get back on point, is I will be doing a lot of football watching over the next 3-4 days.  I didn't notice any problems when watching saturday (at least 6 solid hours of football, and I had frame interpolation on, on the 6500 UB, the whole time.

I was in "normal" not review mode. Which means I stop watching the projector, and watch the content - exclusively.  it takes a real, not insignificant problem, to get me to notice.  It's easy to find artifacts of all kinds, when looking.  Some are inherent to standard blu-ray disc encoding.

I'll blog back re frame interpolation on sports no later than Friday afternoon. This time I'll pay more attention.  Had I had the 24fps experiences described, before I watched football on Saturday, I would have been at least, briefly, looking. My guess, though is that it performed every bit as good as the Panny did when I watched sports on it.  Anyway my next look, will confirm or deny. 

Had that brandy yet?  G'night!  -art

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Art, well your latest talk about the interpolation features totally failing has me back on the fence. Knowing that I need good fast motion for my football games etc, would you go back to recommending the BenQ w5k? I&#8217;m assuming that Epson will be having a few FW updates in the near future to try to fix this problem. If they do, how easy will it be to get the newer FW on my epson? Would they just send me a new unit?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m dissappointed that there is such a problem with their interpolation&#8230;why even include it if it fails so miserably. The AE3000&#8217;s interpolation seems to work very well, I wonder why Epson&#8217;s is not&#8230;</p>
<p>Merry Christmas</p>
<p>-Jim<br />
****************</p>
<p>Hi Jim!  Don&#8217;t stress out yet.  It&#8217;s Christmas Eve!  have a brandy!   As you probably know from my site, I still don&#8217;t see frame interpolation as a big thing for most people.  I barely notice at all in general, and it seems from what I&#8217;ve read, it is in one way, like the rainbow effect, it affects everyone differently, or not at all.  I read an interesting article just a few days ago, as part of trying to sort this all out.</p>
<p>First of all, I haven&#8217;t tried switching my PS3 back to not outputting 24fps.  I know that some processors will reverse process back to 24 and restart from there.  So, while as of right now, but maybe not a few hours from now, I haven&#8217;t done that yet.  It could be great, or it might not be.</p>
<p>With much thinking about this, I wonder, as over the next 2-3 years everything switches to 120hz, if film directors won&#8217;t start factoring that in to the motion affects they plan.  With first class creative frame interpolation, super high motion scenes will slow down a bit - Transformers immediately comes to mind.  In a sense, with the PT-AE3000, turning creative frame on, makes a lot of the motion of the transformers changing, or the fight scenes, seem a little slow or less exciting than with it off.  So, while it is definitely useful for sports, I like the philosophical argument that frame interpolation is inherently less film like, and can distort, &#8220;the director&#8217;s intent&#8221;.  Wouldn&#8217;t want that now, would we.</p>
<p>But the main thing - to get back on point, is I will be doing a lot of football watching over the next 3-4 days.  I didn&#8217;t notice any problems when watching saturday (at least 6 solid hours of football, and I had frame interpolation on, on the 6500 UB, the whole time.</p>
<p>I was in &#8220;normal&#8221; not review mode. Which means I stop watching the projector, and watch the content - exclusively.  it takes a real, not insignificant problem, to get me to notice.  It&#8217;s easy to find artifacts of all kinds, when looking.  Some are inherent to standard blu-ray disc encoding.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll blog back re frame interpolation on sports no later than Friday afternoon. This time I&#8217;ll pay more attention.  Had I had the 24fps experiences described, before I watched football on Saturday, I would have been at least, briefly, looking. My guess, though is that it performed every bit as good as the Panny did when I watched sports on it.  Anyway my next look, will confirm or deny. </p>
<p>Had that brandy yet?  G&#8217;night!  -art</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 22:16:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How does the epson compare to single chip DLP's and mitsubishi pj's in terms of sharpness? 
On that note, how do mitsubishi's compare to DLP's in sharpness?

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Hi Matt,

Ahh, a relatively easy question!  It is very sharp.  I haven't done a formal side by side with any known, very sharp projectors (ie. IN83, BenQ W5K or W20K, Mitsubishi HC7000) yet.  When I did have the SIM2 guy down yesterday morning, though we had his Domino D80E (single chip DLP, $8995) and the 6500 UB set up and were viewing one, than another (same feed, covering the lens of the one projector then, the other.  The D80E also uses a Fujinon lens.  The Epson was definitely a tad sharper, not to a significant amount.  I shot/observed the Space Cowboys monitor close-up image I  always use, and it looked really sharp.  In that regard, and I viewed that and other content for sharpness, side by side with the Panasonic.  It's definitely sharper than the Panny, which is traditionally "average".  

So, my take is - about as sharp as anything out there.  But, I will be comparing to the InFocus IN83, which is a very sharp DLP, and will report in the review.

Happy holidays! -art</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How does the epson compare to single chip DLP&#8217;s and mitsubishi pj&#8217;s in terms of sharpness?<br />
On that note, how do mitsubishi&#8217;s compare to DLP&#8217;s in sharpness?</p>
<p>*****************</p>
<p>Hi Matt,</p>
<p>Ahh, a relatively easy question!  It is very sharp.  I haven&#8217;t done a formal side by side with any known, very sharp projectors (ie. IN83, BenQ W5K or W20K, Mitsubishi HC7000) yet.  When I did have the SIM2 guy down yesterday morning, though we had his Domino D80E (single chip DLP, $8995) and the 6500 UB set up and were viewing one, than another (same feed, covering the lens of the one projector then, the other.  The D80E also uses a Fujinon lens.  The Epson was definitely a tad sharper, not to a significant amount.  I shot/observed the Space Cowboys monitor close-up image I  always use, and it looked really sharp.  In that regard, and I viewed that and other content for sharpness, side by side with the Panasonic.  It&#8217;s definitely sharper than the Panny, which is traditionally &#8220;average&#8221;.  </p>
<p>So, my take is - about as sharp as anything out there.  But, I will be comparing to the InFocus IN83, which is a very sharp DLP, and will report in the review.</p>
<p>Happy holidays! -art</p>
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