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		<title>By: Art Feierman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Art Feierman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Nov 2010 01:46:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Gus,

No, I haven&#039;t... Yours is the first comment in quite a while about it.   Let&#039;s hope your fix works  If not, try AVSforum.com - there&#039;s a lot of regular traffic for most projectors, and they love to beat on manufacturers for problems, and try to solve them themselves too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Gus,</p>
<p>No, I haven&#8217;t&#8230; Yours is the first comment in quite a while about it.   Let&#8217;s hope your fix works  If not, try AVSforum.com &#8211; there&#8217;s a lot of regular traffic for most projectors, and they love to beat on manufacturers for problems, and try to solve them themselves too.</p>
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		<title>By: Gus Burneau</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gus Burneau</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Nov 2010 03:48:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Art, any thoughts on the random shutdown issue. Since I can&#039;t get support from MITS I am out of luck I guess. I did try adjusting the HDMI cable length in the service menu, since my projector is FW 3.0 not 1.0, and it seems that it may have in fact fixed the problem, but if it comes back, have you heard of any other fixes that might work?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Art, any thoughts on the random shutdown issue. Since I can&#8217;t get support from MITS I am out of luck I guess. I did try adjusting the HDMI cable length in the service menu, since my projector is FW 3.0 not 1.0, and it seems that it may have in fact fixed the problem, but if it comes back, have you heard of any other fixes that might work?</p>
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		<title>By: Art Feierman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Art Feierman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Sep 2010 01:55:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Gus,

Any number of companies do the same thing.  Epson&#039;s another, for one, and I can count at least 2 other Japanese companies with separate operations in US and Canada, and won&#039;t  I was of the  In other words, Mits in Canada, is a separate company than Mits in the US.  Yes, they both buy their projectors from Japan, as do the operations in other continents.  The China and Taiwan manufacturers don&#039;t seem to be as organized, being relatively late to the game and much smaller in market share.

I think they all discourage, or forbid such sales, and normally their big online dealers obey such things, but, when you also sell to distributors, who in turn supply the 2nd tier and the smaller dealers, there will always be a problem (not to say all the big direct dealers always behave).  
Now that you have brought this up, when I get a chance, I&#039;ll try to do a blog specific to the issue...   Of course most companies (manufacturers) are clear in their warranty pages, on their sites, about this whole thing, but then who reads warranty stuff.

ON my site, the warranty page is by far the shortest, but gets only read by about 1 in 9 people who visit the first page of a review, 1 in seven vs. the image quality and summary pages.  No other page in a review gets less than 2x the page views (even calibration).  

When I was a dealer, we probably sold a couple hundred home theater projectors to Canadians, but would only ship in the US.  Those folks all knew the story, had a friend or relative in the states, and knew they would have to ship it back to their friend, etc. to handle the warranty issue.  The invoice almost certainly would have to show a shipping address in the US, but, the owner, probably could be anywhere (and that shown on the invoice).  Dealers aren&#039;t &quot;allowed&quot; to sell to (ship to)  canada, they are not to my knowledge prohibited from selling to someone there.  ie you might want to buy a fancy projector for your parents in the states... and that should be fine, as long as it ships to the US..

Meantime-
This was standard stuff when I was an online dealer - hasn&#039;t changed since the late nineties... 

best of luck -a</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Gus,</p>
<p>Any number of companies do the same thing.  Epson&#8217;s another, for one, and I can count at least 2 other Japanese companies with separate operations in US and Canada, and won&#8217;t  I was of the  In other words, Mits in Canada, is a separate company than Mits in the US.  Yes, they both buy their projectors from Japan, as do the operations in other continents.  The China and Taiwan manufacturers don&#8217;t seem to be as organized, being relatively late to the game and much smaller in market share.</p>
<p>I think they all discourage, or forbid such sales, and normally their big online dealers obey such things, but, when you also sell to distributors, who in turn supply the 2nd tier and the smaller dealers, there will always be a problem (not to say all the big direct dealers always behave).<br />
Now that you have brought this up, when I get a chance, I&#8217;ll try to do a blog specific to the issue&#8230;   Of course most companies (manufacturers) are clear in their warranty pages, on their sites, about this whole thing, but then who reads warranty stuff.</p>
<p>ON my site, the warranty page is by far the shortest, but gets only read by about 1 in 9 people who visit the first page of a review, 1 in seven vs. the image quality and summary pages.  No other page in a review gets less than 2x the page views (even calibration).  </p>
<p>When I was a dealer, we probably sold a couple hundred home theater projectors to Canadians, but would only ship in the US.  Those folks all knew the story, had a friend or relative in the states, and knew they would have to ship it back to their friend, etc. to handle the warranty issue.  The invoice almost certainly would have to show a shipping address in the US, but, the owner, probably could be anywhere (and that shown on the invoice).  Dealers aren&#8217;t &#8220;allowed&#8221; to sell to (ship to)  canada, they are not to my knowledge prohibited from selling to someone there.  ie you might want to buy a fancy projector for your parents in the states&#8230; and that should be fine, as long as it ships to the US..</p>
<p>Meantime-<br />
This was standard stuff when I was an online dealer &#8211; hasn&#8217;t changed since the late nineties&#8230; </p>
<p>best of luck -a</p>
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		<title>By: Gus Burneau</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gus Burneau</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Sep 2010 19:42:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have had an HC3800 running since March 2010, with no random shutdown issues in the first 3-4 months. Recently, I did start to have this problem, and have discovered just how bad a purchase this unit was. Mitsubishi does not restrict resellers selling product internationally, but being in Canada and having purchased online from a US reseller, I can&#039;t get any support from MITS at all. Because I am in Canada, it is &quot;grey market&quot; product, and therefore, they can not help me. I must have a US address, with an invoice for the purchase from a US address, to get any support at all. I WILL NOT EVER BE BUYING ANOTHER MITSUBISHI PRODUCT. BUYER BEWARE. Great projector, terrible support.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have had an HC3800 running since March 2010, with no random shutdown issues in the first 3-4 months. Recently, I did start to have this problem, and have discovered just how bad a purchase this unit was. Mitsubishi does not restrict resellers selling product internationally, but being in Canada and having purchased online from a US reseller, I can&#8217;t get any support from MITS at all. Because I am in Canada, it is &#8220;grey market&#8221; product, and therefore, they can not help me. I must have a US address, with an invoice for the purchase from a US address, to get any support at all. I WILL NOT EVER BE BUYING ANOTHER MITSUBISHI PRODUCT. BUYER BEWARE. Great projector, terrible support.</p>
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		<title>By: Art Feierman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Art Feierman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jul 2010 01:48:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll let you work the math.  Pull the lens shift numbers off the review, or better, from the manual.  The numbers I provide are slightly rounded and based on numbers published by the manufacturers, who all say, &quot;approximate&quot; or similar.  But, other than quibbling about a half inch here or there, if you use numbers for a 100&quot; diagonal screen, then, for a 133&quot; diagonal screen just multiply the offset by 1.33, to get the corrrect distance above the top of the screen surface...  That&#039;s about it.  -art
You will be mounting the projector inverted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll let you work the math.  Pull the lens shift numbers off the review, or better, from the manual.  The numbers I provide are slightly rounded and based on numbers published by the manufacturers, who all say, &#8220;approximate&#8221; or similar.  But, other than quibbling about a half inch here or there, if you use numbers for a 100&#8243; diagonal screen, then, for a 133&#8243; diagonal screen just multiply the offset by 1.33, to get the corrrect distance above the top of the screen surface&#8230;  That&#8217;s about it.  -art<br />
You will be mounting the projector inverted.</p>
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		<title>By: richard</title>
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		<dc:creator>richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jun 2010 17:30:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello.
My room is 21L X 15W X 12H The room has no windows and only two doors that let in little light. I would like to mount a shelf or an PARAMOUNT wall/ceiling mount on the back wall or 14 to 17ft from the back wall on the ceiling and install a MITSUBISHI HC3800. The mount will extend 22&quot; from the back wall but I don’t know how far down
 I should install the mount? 
The screens I think will work is a 133&quot; X 65 X 116 or a 123&quot;x 60 x 107 
VUTEC ELEGANTE FIXED FRAME and the screen will be about 19 to 20ft from the wall or 14 to 17ft on the ceiling mount.  HC3800.The screen will be mounted above the a fire place mantel that is 55&quot; from the floor to the mantel &amp; from the mantel to the ceiling is 90&quot;.please help from the</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello.<br />
My room is 21L X 15W X 12H The room has no windows and only two doors that let in little light. I would like to mount a shelf or an PARAMOUNT wall/ceiling mount on the back wall or 14 to 17ft from the back wall on the ceiling and install a MITSUBISHI HC3800. The mount will extend 22&#8243; from the back wall but I don’t know how far down<br />
 I should install the mount?<br />
The screens I think will work is a 133&#8243; X 65 X 116 or a 123&#8243;x 60 x 107<br />
VUTEC ELEGANTE FIXED FRAME and the screen will be about 19 to 20ft from the wall or 14 to 17ft on the ceiling mount.  HC3800.The screen will be mounted above the a fire place mantel that is 55&#8243; from the floor to the mantel &amp; from the mantel to the ceiling is 90&#8243;.please help from the</p>
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		<title>By: Art Feierman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Art Feierman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 May 2010 02:09:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Despite the contrast ratings, expect the HC3800 to be better at blacks.  Since the HC3000 relies on a dynamic iris to get to it&#039;s 4000:1 and the HC3800 claims it without a dynamic iris, just that should mean that the HC3000 might be able to match the blacks of the HC3800 on an all really dark scene with nothing bright at all, but in a mixed scene, mostly very dark with some small bright areas, the HC3000&#039;s iris can&#039;t close down as far, and therefore &quot;blacks&quot; would be lighter grays, than the HC3800 on similar scenes.  As to darkchips - it&#039;s getting murky out there, apparently some of which chips are which is just quality control. At any rate, whereas 3-6 years ago, just about everyone indicated which Darkchip, today, many projectors no longer state which one is inside, and when I ask, they normally don&#039;t come back with an answer.   

Hey, ain&#039;t it great that I spend more time yakking about black level performance than anything else.  And that&#039;s the bottom line, not which chip, but final results.  BTW, higher numbers do not promise blacker blacks.  The old IN83 - a favorite projector of mine, lacked a dynamic iris, and used the Darkchip 4, yet it had mediocre black level performance, probably no better than the HC3800, but at $5000, not $1000+   What&#039;s mediocre around $5000 is still pretty darn good around $1500. -a</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Despite the contrast ratings, expect the HC3800 to be better at blacks.  Since the HC3000 relies on a dynamic iris to get to it&#8217;s 4000:1 and the HC3800 claims it without a dynamic iris, just that should mean that the HC3000 might be able to match the blacks of the HC3800 on an all really dark scene with nothing bright at all, but in a mixed scene, mostly very dark with some small bright areas, the HC3000&#8242;s iris can&#8217;t close down as far, and therefore &#8220;blacks&#8221; would be lighter grays, than the HC3800 on similar scenes.  As to darkchips &#8211; it&#8217;s getting murky out there, apparently some of which chips are which is just quality control. At any rate, whereas 3-6 years ago, just about everyone indicated which Darkchip, today, many projectors no longer state which one is inside, and when I ask, they normally don&#8217;t come back with an answer.   </p>
<p>Hey, ain&#8217;t it great that I spend more time yakking about black level performance than anything else.  And that&#8217;s the bottom line, not which chip, but final results.  BTW, higher numbers do not promise blacker blacks.  The old IN83 &#8211; a favorite projector of mine, lacked a dynamic iris, and used the Darkchip 4, yet it had mediocre black level performance, probably no better than the HC3800, but at $5000, not $1000+   What&#8217;s mediocre around $5000 is still pretty darn good around $1500. -a</p>
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		<title>By: Art Feierman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Art Feierman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 May 2010 22:36:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I&#039;ll weigh in with my two cents - here goes.  

1.  Personally I don&#039;t think the panny or the epson in best mode can fill a 120&quot; 1.1 gain screen.  Run the numbers - even with new lamps, you&#039;ll probably find the ft-lamberts down around 12-14.  per the movie theater folks at smpte 12 should be the minimum, for a theater, and 16 is probably where they should be.   By the time your lamp has run half of its life, you can probably figure a drop of 25-30% of your brightness. And remember, technically, the &quot;life&quot; of a lamp is the number of hours until its brightness has dropped to 50%.  With my 128&quot; firehawk G3, (a 1.25% relative gain), the Epson still comes out thin.  (btw, your screen would be brighter than mine, relative isn&#039;t the same as real gain, if the screen you are looking at is quoting real gain (brighter than white paper?).  

Of course you could go with brighter modes, but that changes some of the things that are attractive about it, with the Epson or Panny. The HC3800, on the other hand has the &quot;best&quot; mode lumens to handle the screen no problem.  

Bright best mode projectors are hard to find.  You want significantly better black levels - than the HC3800, you have to look to the Panny, the Epson 8500UB, and the BenQ W6000.   The more expensive Epson, and the Panny still are thin on &quot;best&quot; mode lumens.  

The BenQ W6000 gives you the brightness and the black levels, but is probably out of your price range.  I know of nothing typically under $2000 other than the HC3800 with a great picture, and lots of &quot;bright&quot;, and while its black levels are good for what it is, it is not what I call an &quot;ultra-high contrast&quot; projector. (typically thanks to a dynamic iris). Oh, there are a couple of possibles, but with sloppy iris action that makes watching them almost painful once in a while, on the &quot;wrong&quot; kind of scenes.

Rock and a hard place?  Best of luck!  -art</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I&#8217;ll weigh in with my two cents &#8211; here goes.  </p>
<p>1.  Personally I don&#8217;t think the panny or the epson in best mode can fill a 120&#8243; 1.1 gain screen.  Run the numbers &#8211; even with new lamps, you&#8217;ll probably find the ft-lamberts down around 12-14.  per the movie theater folks at smpte 12 should be the minimum, for a theater, and 16 is probably where they should be.   By the time your lamp has run half of its life, you can probably figure a drop of 25-30% of your brightness. And remember, technically, the &#8220;life&#8221; of a lamp is the number of hours until its brightness has dropped to 50%.  With my 128&#8243; firehawk G3, (a 1.25% relative gain), the Epson still comes out thin.  (btw, your screen would be brighter than mine, relative isn&#8217;t the same as real gain, if the screen you are looking at is quoting real gain (brighter than white paper?).  </p>
<p>Of course you could go with brighter modes, but that changes some of the things that are attractive about it, with the Epson or Panny. The HC3800, on the other hand has the &#8220;best&#8221; mode lumens to handle the screen no problem.  </p>
<p>Bright best mode projectors are hard to find.  You want significantly better black levels &#8211; than the HC3800, you have to look to the Panny, the Epson 8500UB, and the BenQ W6000.   The more expensive Epson, and the Panny still are thin on &#8220;best&#8221; mode lumens.  </p>
<p>The BenQ W6000 gives you the brightness and the black levels, but is probably out of your price range.  I know of nothing typically under $2000 other than the HC3800 with a great picture, and lots of &#8220;bright&#8221;, and while its black levels are good for what it is, it is not what I call an &#8220;ultra-high contrast&#8221; projector. (typically thanks to a dynamic iris). Oh, there are a couple of possibles, but with sloppy iris action that makes watching them almost painful once in a while, on the &#8220;wrong&#8221; kind of scenes.</p>
<p>Rock and a hard place?  Best of luck!  -art</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 May 2010 14:52:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Art,

I&#039;m at a loss as to what to get.  

Originally I was going to get the epson 8100, then I found out about the Pannasonic AE4000, but then got worried that a 120&quot; screen would be too big, and wasn&#039;t sure it could handle some ambient light during the day.  Most recently I&#039;ve been leaning towards the HC3800 but I&#039;m a little concerned with the talk about light leakage and a little concerned w/ audible noise from the projector.

What I like about what I&#039;m hearing about the 3800 is that it s bright and very sharp(very high on my list).  Also am not sure about black levels, I&#039;ve read some things that say it has really good black levels and then others that say they are not so good, so, I&#039;m not sure what to believe on that one

I plan on buying a 120&quot; dalite perm wall w/ high contrast cinema perf(1.1 gain - same as their hc cinema vision but is AT)

My primary use is for movies, and blu ray television(lost), I also watch soccer but am a bit less concerned about that being perfect as I am movies and tv, though I don&#039;t want motion blur either.

Do you have any advice for me?

Thanks, 

James</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Art,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m at a loss as to what to get.  </p>
<p>Originally I was going to get the epson 8100, then I found out about the Pannasonic AE4000, but then got worried that a 120&#8243; screen would be too big, and wasn&#8217;t sure it could handle some ambient light during the day.  Most recently I&#8217;ve been leaning towards the HC3800 but I&#8217;m a little concerned with the talk about light leakage and a little concerned w/ audible noise from the projector.</p>
<p>What I like about what I&#8217;m hearing about the 3800 is that it s bright and very sharp(very high on my list).  Also am not sure about black levels, I&#8217;ve read some things that say it has really good black levels and then others that say they are not so good, so, I&#8217;m not sure what to believe on that one</p>
<p>I plan on buying a 120&#8243; dalite perm wall w/ high contrast cinema perf(1.1 gain &#8211; same as their hc cinema vision but is AT)</p>
<p>My primary use is for movies, and blu ray television(lost), I also watch soccer but am a bit less concerned about that being perfect as I am movies and tv, though I don&#8217;t want motion blur either.</p>
<p>Do you have any advice for me?</p>
<p>Thanks, </p>
<p>James</p>
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