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		<title>By: Art Feierman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Art Feierman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 22:44:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s interesting about the syncing.  I wonder where that fits into the original issue, especially in light of some people stating that the problem with the originals is more prevalent if watching 24fps. -art</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s interesting about the syncing.  I wonder where that fits into the original issue, especially in light of some people stating that the problem with the originals is more prevalent if watching 24fps. -art</p>
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		<title>By: Art Feierman</title>
		<link>http://www.projectorreviews.com/blog/2009/12/01/hc3800-projector-availability/comment-page-1/#comment-19506</link>
		<dc:creator>Art Feierman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 22:40:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm, I&#039;m just catching up again.  Do you have a firmware version number for your unit?   -art</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm, I&#8217;m just catching up again.  Do you have a firmware version number for your unit?   -art</p>
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		<title>By: Art Feierman</title>
		<link>http://www.projectorreviews.com/blog/2009/12/01/hc3800-projector-availability/comment-page-1/#comment-19505</link>
		<dc:creator>Art Feierman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 22:39:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>useful info!  thanks -art</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>useful info!  thanks -art</p>
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		<title>By: Art Feierman</title>
		<link>http://www.projectorreviews.com/blog/2009/12/01/hc3800-projector-availability/comment-page-1/#comment-19504</link>
		<dc:creator>Art Feierman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 22:38:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From speaking to Mitsubishi, and reading comments from others, it seems to me, that those having the problem, are having it immediately.  I&#039;ve received comments from people with dozens or even 100 hours+ with no problem, and others experiencing it.  If I had to guess as to what percentage of the original&#039;s has a problem, my best, but (relying on thin evidence,), is that probably no more than 20% have the problem.  It could, however, be less than half of that, but probably not double it.  As I said - just a best guess.

Without actually being aware of what caused the problem, I&#039;m loathe to make a recommendation.  That said, if I am right, and it&#039;s an immediate problem, then if you open it, and it&#039;s fine, no harm, no foul.   If it were me, I and the projector was already at my house, I&#039;d open it.  If I hadn&#039;t yet ordered it, I would, however, want to get one with the new firmware. -a</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From speaking to Mitsubishi, and reading comments from others, it seems to me, that those having the problem, are having it immediately.  I&#8217;ve received comments from people with dozens or even 100 hours+ with no problem, and others experiencing it.  If I had to guess as to what percentage of the original&#8217;s has a problem, my best, but (relying on thin evidence,), is that probably no more than 20% have the problem.  It could, however, be less than half of that, but probably not double it.  As I said &#8211; just a best guess.</p>
<p>Without actually being aware of what caused the problem, I&#8217;m loathe to make a recommendation.  That said, if I am right, and it&#8217;s an immediate problem, then if you open it, and it&#8217;s fine, no harm, no foul.   If it were me, I and the projector was already at my house, I&#8217;d open it.  If I hadn&#8217;t yet ordered it, I would, however, want to get one with the new firmware. -a</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 21:04:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I received my projector last week, it&#039;s still in the box. Given the issues at hand and after reading that the &quot;corrected&quot; model appears to be shipping with a firmware version of 3 instead of 1, should I not even bother testing my unit and just send it back? 

If my unit does work ok for a week or a month etc... will Mitsubishi honor the repair and pay shipping both ways if it shuts down in a year?

What would you do if you had just ordered one and find out this week that &quot;fixed&quot; models will be available next week?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I received my projector last week, it&#8217;s still in the box. Given the issues at hand and after reading that the &#8220;corrected&#8221; model appears to be shipping with a firmware version of 3 instead of 1, should I not even bother testing my unit and just send it back? </p>
<p>If my unit does work ok for a week or a month etc&#8230; will Mitsubishi honor the repair and pay shipping both ways if it shuts down in a year?</p>
<p>What would you do if you had just ordered one and find out this week that &#8220;fixed&#8221; models will be available next week?</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Dec 2009 15:06:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a CI and have installed 4 of the hc3800 and 3 that I know of are exhibiting the shutdown problem.  
Some did it when doing 24hz blu ray, others did it while watching sat.  The 3 that have the problem all did it while on for less than 30 minutes.  I&#039;m going back to check the 4th one as I don&#039;t think the owner has really used it since I put it in.  It didn&#039;t shut down when I had it on after installation but who knows.  What a pain!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a CI and have installed 4 of the hc3800 and 3 that I know of are exhibiting the shutdown problem.<br />
Some did it when doing 24hz blu ray, others did it while watching sat.  The 3 that have the problem all did it while on for less than 30 minutes.  I&#8217;m going back to check the 4th one as I don&#8217;t think the owner has really used it since I put it in.  It didn&#8217;t shut down when I had it on after installation but who knows.  What a pain!</p>
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		<title>By: Uli Goetze</title>
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		<dc:creator>Uli Goetze</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 21:40:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi.
I was happy to early!
My replacement unit has the second shutdown to standby at wednesday after 36hours. I send a e-mail for support to Mitsubishi-Germany the next day.
I have no answer yet, but after the beamer work fine yesterday for over 6 hours, i had 3! shutdowns
this evening. I tried it again without the repeater
and standard cable-lenght in service menu.
No chance! After 30min another shutdown.
I hope the Mitsubishi-Service in Germany is as good als in the US!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi.<br />
I was happy to early!<br />
My replacement unit has the second shutdown to standby at wednesday after 36hours. I send a e-mail for support to Mitsubishi-Germany the next day.<br />
I have no answer yet, but after the beamer work fine yesterday for over 6 hours, i had 3! shutdowns<br />
this evening. I tried it again without the repeater<br />
and standard cable-lenght in service menu.<br />
No chance! After 30min another shutdown.<br />
I hope the Mitsubishi-Service in Germany is as good als in the US!</p>
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		<title>By: KilgoreT</title>
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		<dc:creator>KilgoreT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 08:51:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Art,

Just wanted to let you know that I received my new unit from Mitsubishi... It came with software version 3.0 vs. 1.0 on my original unit. The serial number is around 5000 (old one was near 1400). It seems to be working flawlessly. I&#039;ve also noticed that the color wheel syncs a little quicker/smoother when changing scan rates/resolutions.

Thanks again for your help in resolving this!

-Jens</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Art,</p>
<p>Just wanted to let you know that I received my new unit from Mitsubishi&#8230; It came with software version 3.0 vs. 1.0 on my original unit. The serial number is around 5000 (old one was near 1400). It seems to be working flawlessly. I&#8217;ve also noticed that the color wheel syncs a little quicker/smoother when changing scan rates/resolutions.</p>
<p>Thanks again for your help in resolving this!</p>
<p>-Jens</p>
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		<title>By: Art Feierman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Art Feierman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 04:02:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Gorkon,

Well, in deference to manufacturers in general, it takes a bit to recognize a real problem.  If I understand correctly, the first HC3800&#039;s didn&#039;t ship out until early November, and even then most dealers didn&#039;t get many to start.  That means it&#039;s probably no more than 3 weeks from the very first call in.  

The other point is, you call, you first hit customer support - ground floor.  The problem is they don&#039;t know.   In Mitsubishi&#039;s case, you&#039;ve got a support team handling some 40+ current model projectors, and hundreds of older models.  It&#039;s going to take a little time to &quot;notice&quot;, report, product management needs to investigate, find out what the problem is.  Once they have that nailed, then support should get brought up to speed, and a fix created, but until there&#039;s a fix, for a problem, they are still &quot;skating&quot; on thin ice.  That&#039;s just the way it is.

I&#039;d like to go a touch further to say that in general, I&#039;m rather proud of our projector industry.  While not every company has the same level of support, I&#039;d have to say that our industry is particularly good at taking care of problems and taking good care of customers.   Of late, besides the HC3800, there&#039;s a BenQ W6000 iris issue - again, new product, again, very fast to finding a fix, and again, just getting it out, into the field.  Epson did a first rate job last year, with their CFI issue, BenQ - about 4 years ago had a serious lamp problem, and ultimately upgraded every projector including covering all costs and a new lamp.  (it was a serious problem - most projectors blew their lamps in 300 - 500 hours).

And so on.  Compared to the computer industry (Apple, probably excepted), cars, and most other industries our &quot;guys&quot; do great!    We complain when there are initial problems, and sure, they are best avoided, but hey, you guys demand the latest and greatest and have &quot;forced&quot; these manufacturers mostly to go to annual cycles to keep you happy with the latest.    For that reason, it&#039;s a constant crunch.  it&#039;s amazing sometimes how fast a projector has to come to market.  I&#039;ve had engineering samples that could barely turn on, and yet full production projectors start arriving in hundreds 4-6 weeks later.   I&#039;m blanking now, but either the HC3800, or the BenQ W6000 samples I got didn&#039;t even have a working component video, but since I don&#039;t test using it, not a problem.   So, while when they screw up, it&#039;s a pain, for those affected, all considered, I do think they&#039;re doing a good job.   (OK, I&#039;ve brown nosed them enough). -art

And thanks for the info.  anyone else?  That is, let me ask this.  Let me know if you 1. have the shutdown problem, AND only if it took more than 10 hours to happen the first time.   So far it seems the problem is almost immediate. -art</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Gorkon,</p>
<p>Well, in deference to manufacturers in general, it takes a bit to recognize a real problem.  If I understand correctly, the first HC3800&#8242;s didn&#8217;t ship out until early November, and even then most dealers didn&#8217;t get many to start.  That means it&#8217;s probably no more than 3 weeks from the very first call in.  </p>
<p>The other point is, you call, you first hit customer support &#8211; ground floor.  The problem is they don&#8217;t know.   In Mitsubishi&#8217;s case, you&#8217;ve got a support team handling some 40+ current model projectors, and hundreds of older models.  It&#8217;s going to take a little time to &#8220;notice&#8221;, report, product management needs to investigate, find out what the problem is.  Once they have that nailed, then support should get brought up to speed, and a fix created, but until there&#8217;s a fix, for a problem, they are still &#8220;skating&#8221; on thin ice.  That&#8217;s just the way it is.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to go a touch further to say that in general, I&#8217;m rather proud of our projector industry.  While not every company has the same level of support, I&#8217;d have to say that our industry is particularly good at taking care of problems and taking good care of customers.   Of late, besides the HC3800, there&#8217;s a BenQ W6000 iris issue &#8211; again, new product, again, very fast to finding a fix, and again, just getting it out, into the field.  Epson did a first rate job last year, with their CFI issue, BenQ &#8211; about 4 years ago had a serious lamp problem, and ultimately upgraded every projector including covering all costs and a new lamp.  (it was a serious problem &#8211; most projectors blew their lamps in 300 &#8211; 500 hours).</p>
<p>And so on.  Compared to the computer industry (Apple, probably excepted), cars, and most other industries our &#8220;guys&#8221; do great!    We complain when there are initial problems, and sure, they are best avoided, but hey, you guys demand the latest and greatest and have &#8220;forced&#8221; these manufacturers mostly to go to annual cycles to keep you happy with the latest.    For that reason, it&#8217;s a constant crunch.  it&#8217;s amazing sometimes how fast a projector has to come to market.  I&#8217;ve had engineering samples that could barely turn on, and yet full production projectors start arriving in hundreds 4-6 weeks later.   I&#8217;m blanking now, but either the HC3800, or the BenQ W6000 samples I got didn&#8217;t even have a working component video, but since I don&#8217;t test using it, not a problem.   So, while when they screw up, it&#8217;s a pain, for those affected, all considered, I do think they&#8217;re doing a good job.   (OK, I&#8217;ve brown nosed them enough). -art</p>
<p>And thanks for the info.  anyone else?  That is, let me ask this.  Let me know if you 1. have the shutdown problem, AND only if it took more than 10 hours to happen the first time.   So far it seems the problem is almost immediate. -art</p>
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		<title>By: Art Feierman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Art Feierman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 03:40:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Keoki - Sorry, I make a living from advertising, and most of it is from the 6-7 dealers on my site.  I have no suicidal tendencies.  Let me say this.  The guys you see advertising the HC3800 on my site (either 3 or 4)  are all pretty big online AV resellers.  I&#039;ve known the people at all of them a whole lot of years, going back to when I owned one of the larger online projector dealers.  &quot;My&quot; Mitsubishi HC3800 dealers are all reputable.  They be the guys in white hats.    Pick one! -art</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keoki &#8211; Sorry, I make a living from advertising, and most of it is from the 6-7 dealers on my site.  I have no suicidal tendencies.  Let me say this.  The guys you see advertising the HC3800 on my site (either 3 or 4)  are all pretty big online AV resellers.  I&#8217;ve known the people at all of them a whole lot of years, going back to when I owned one of the larger online projector dealers.  &#8220;My&#8221; Mitsubishi HC3800 dealers are all reputable.  They be the guys in white hats.    Pick one! -art</p>
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