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	<title>Comments on: Vivitek H1080FD Entry Level for the Home &#8211; A First Look &#8211; Projector Review</title>
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		<title>By: Jeff Hurst</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Hurst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 12:31:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looks like the Vivitek H1080FD is the perfect review to show my non-projector friends. It&#039;s a drastic comparison that shows what your choices are between cost and quality. The black level comparison photos are extreme enough for the uninitiated to &quot;get it&quot;. Actually, most of the people I know who do own a projector bought business projectors to watch movies and sports. Projectors like this are actually a huge step up that&#039;s not impossibly out of their price range. I know the limitations would drive me nuts, but I know way more folks who wouldn&#039;t notice the difference at all, and would never pay 3 times the cost to get better color and features they might never turn on. I&#039;m really curious to see the comparison of an entry level 1080P with a good 720P projector, because that&#039;s the advice my friends are 10x more likely to ask about than whether they should an Epson 8500UB or a Panasonic AE4000. I  know it might be torture for you, but I&#039;d love to have a with-photos single review comparing a $500 business projector, an $800 business proector, and representative home theater projectors at the 1080P entry, midrange, and high contrast price levels. That&#039;s a web link I could send to people to explain what you&#039;re  missing when you pay $500 for a projector to watch movies. Before you go &quot;arrrgh&quot; I have to say I wind up having that very conversation at least once a week, and they really don&#039;t understand unless I bring them to my house and we watch something. Most folks I talk to have no idea what they&#039;re missing, and that includes most of the salespeople at big box stores where I was shopping for projectors before I discovered projectorreviews.com. You cater to the enthusiest crowd, but helping us explain things to our unconvinced friends is a valuable thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks like the Vivitek H1080FD is the perfect review to show my non-projector friends. It&#8217;s a drastic comparison that shows what your choices are between cost and quality. The black level comparison photos are extreme enough for the uninitiated to &#8220;get it&#8221;. Actually, most of the people I know who do own a projector bought business projectors to watch movies and sports. Projectors like this are actually a huge step up that&#8217;s not impossibly out of their price range. I know the limitations would drive me nuts, but I know way more folks who wouldn&#8217;t notice the difference at all, and would never pay 3 times the cost to get better color and features they might never turn on. I&#8217;m really curious to see the comparison of an entry level 1080P with a good 720P projector, because that&#8217;s the advice my friends are 10x more likely to ask about than whether they should an Epson 8500UB or a Panasonic AE4000. I  know it might be torture for you, but I&#8217;d love to have a with-photos single review comparing a $500 business projector, an $800 business proector, and representative home theater projectors at the 1080P entry, midrange, and high contrast price levels. That&#8217;s a web link I could send to people to explain what you&#8217;re  missing when you pay $500 for a projector to watch movies. Before you go &#8220;arrrgh&#8221; I have to say I wind up having that very conversation at least once a week, and they really don&#8217;t understand unless I bring them to my house and we watch something. Most folks I talk to have no idea what they&#8217;re missing, and that includes most of the salespeople at big box stores where I was shopping for projectors before I discovered projectorreviews.com. You cater to the enthusiest crowd, but helping us explain things to our unconvinced friends is a valuable thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Hurst</title>
		<link>http://www.projectorreviews.com/blog/2009/12/12/vivitek-h1080fd-entry-level-for-the-home-a-first-look-projector-review/comment-page-1/#comment-19907</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Hurst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 22:00:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s your own fault Art! If you didn&#039;t give such wonderful answers I wouldn&#039;t be inspired with new questions! HA!  If you&#039;re building the whole house from scratch anyway - would the same projector look brighter or better if you gave extra room behind the screen and changed to rear projection? The light would be shining right at you rather than reflecting, but then you&#039;d lose some light absorbed by the screen. A 12 ft room behind the screen isn&#039;t  much in a new McMansion, besides you could put all the AV gear in there and use a RF universal remote. It would sure  cut down on projector noise, but it&#039;s not worthwhile if the picture would get worse rather than better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s your own fault Art! If you didn&#8217;t give such wonderful answers I wouldn&#8217;t be inspired with new questions! HA!  If you&#8217;re building the whole house from scratch anyway &#8211; would the same projector look brighter or better if you gave extra room behind the screen and changed to rear projection? The light would be shining right at you rather than reflecting, but then you&#8217;d lose some light absorbed by the screen. A 12 ft room behind the screen isn&#8217;t  much in a new McMansion, besides you could put all the AV gear in there and use a RF universal remote. It would sure  cut down on projector noise, but it&#8217;s not worthwhile if the picture would get worse rather than better.</p>
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		<title>By: Art Feierman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Art Feierman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 00:43:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, Jeff, I hope you do start running out of questions.  You work me way too hard. 

1. DLP business light canon projectors aren&#039;t! - Many have relatively horrible color in their brightest modes - even compared to some of the worst Dynamic modes we see on home theater projectors.  Thus a 3500 lumen biz DLP projector may not have more than 1000 and likely no more than 1750 lumens in its best mode, which probably still won&#039;t be any better than a bright HT DLP in brightest mode (like the Vivitek, the Mitsubishi HC3800 or the BenQ W6000.  Consider - Most DLP HT projectors are using 200 - 250 watt lamps - about the same as the typical 3000 lumen Biz DLP.  Lumens have to come from somewhere - at the expense of something else, like contrast, or by not equalizing the lamp output to get accurate color.  (reducing a lot of green a a fair amount of blue to match up with the limited red that comes from most projector lamps.

2.  LCD projectors (and LCoS).   Different problem, you can buy a very nice biz LCD projector and get very good color.  LCD biz projectors are far superior to the DLP&#039;s in that regard.

Problem is - no contast to speak of.  You are back to a nice 3500 lumen projector with a 400:1 or 600:1 contrast ratio, which in home theater terms takes, you back to the the the Bronze age.   Want to take your nice HT projector with its 5 digit contrast ratio, and pretend it&#039;s got 400:1 - easy turn on a 60 watt lamp in your room that hits your screen head on and look at the contrast and black levels.  This may be fine for sports viewing, but If you are watching star wars or Space Cowboys, the black sky of outer space will look like an overcast afternoon, by comparison.

I personally, though, have considered a serious 5000 lumen plus LCD for my current theater (mounted below my JVC on a rear shelf), strictly for sports and HDTV viewing with lots of ambient light.  I&#039;m talking about the amount of ambient light that tends to make a typical home theater projector, doing a dark scene, look like it&#039;s not even turned on.  Perhaps next year, when we move, and I get to set up the new house for theater and testing.

I continue to yell at manufacturers to bring out projectors with respectable 3000 - 3500 lumen brightest modes, that means moving up to 300 watt plus lamps, or comparablly bright LED lightsource, when available. I tell them to give us the option, and to be sure to put a manual iris on them so we can get them down to 500 or 700 lumens as needed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, Jeff, I hope you do start running out of questions.  You work me way too hard. </p>
<p>1. DLP business light canon projectors aren&#8217;t! &#8211; Many have relatively horrible color in their brightest modes &#8211; even compared to some of the worst Dynamic modes we see on home theater projectors.  Thus a 3500 lumen biz DLP projector may not have more than 1000 and likely no more than 1750 lumens in its best mode, which probably still won&#8217;t be any better than a bright HT DLP in brightest mode (like the Vivitek, the Mitsubishi HC3800 or the BenQ W6000.  Consider &#8211; Most DLP HT projectors are using 200 &#8211; 250 watt lamps &#8211; about the same as the typical 3000 lumen Biz DLP.  Lumens have to come from somewhere &#8211; at the expense of something else, like contrast, or by not equalizing the lamp output to get accurate color.  (reducing a lot of green a a fair amount of blue to match up with the limited red that comes from most projector lamps.</p>
<p>2.  LCD projectors (and LCoS).   Different problem, you can buy a very nice biz LCD projector and get very good color.  LCD biz projectors are far superior to the DLP&#8217;s in that regard.</p>
<p>Problem is &#8211; no contast to speak of.  You are back to a nice 3500 lumen projector with a 400:1 or 600:1 contrast ratio, which in home theater terms takes, you back to the the the Bronze age.   Want to take your nice HT projector with its 5 digit contrast ratio, and pretend it&#8217;s got 400:1 &#8211; easy turn on a 60 watt lamp in your room that hits your screen head on and look at the contrast and black levels.  This may be fine for sports viewing, but If you are watching star wars or Space Cowboys, the black sky of outer space will look like an overcast afternoon, by comparison.</p>
<p>I personally, though, have considered a serious 5000 lumen plus LCD for my current theater (mounted below my JVC on a rear shelf), strictly for sports and HDTV viewing with lots of ambient light.  I&#8217;m talking about the amount of ambient light that tends to make a typical home theater projector, doing a dark scene, look like it&#8217;s not even turned on.  Perhaps next year, when we move, and I get to set up the new house for theater and testing.</p>
<p>I continue to yell at manufacturers to bring out projectors with respectable 3000 &#8211; 3500 lumen brightest modes, that means moving up to 300 watt plus lamps, or comparablly bright LED lightsource, when available. I tell them to give us the option, and to be sure to put a manual iris on them so we can get them down to 500 or 700 lumens as needed.</p>
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		<title>By: Art Feierman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Art Feierman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 00:19:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>working on that.  I haven&#039;t had a Panny AX200U or other 720p LCD pj  here for more than a year, nor the Optoma HD71 or HD65.  None the less, I do believe I will be addressing in the competitors section of the Vivitek review, which I hope to complete this week.  I think you&#039;ll already find I penciled in at least the Panny as one that would be compared.  -a</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>working on that.  I haven&#8217;t had a Panny AX200U or other 720p LCD pj  here for more than a year, nor the Optoma HD71 or HD65.  None the less, I do believe I will be addressing in the competitors section of the Vivitek review, which I hope to complete this week.  I think you&#8217;ll already find I penciled in at least the Panny as one that would be compared.  -a</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 13:55:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It would be interesting if you would make a comment or two comparing $999 1080p models like the Vivitek to some of the under $1,000 720p models still hanging around (like the Epson HC720). Is the higher resolution worth putting up with worse blacks or contrast (if that&#039;s even the case), etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would be interesting if you would make a comment or two comparing $999 1080p models like the Vivitek to some of the under $1,000 720p models still hanging around (like the Epson HC720). Is the higher resolution worth putting up with worse blacks or contrast (if that&#8217;s even the case), etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Hurst</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Hurst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Dec 2009 21:40:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In this price range and &quot;family or bonus room&quot; best use, wouldn&#039;t the better color of a good 720P projector, or the brightness of a &quot;business class&quot; light cannon be serious alternatives? No solution is best for everyone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In this price range and &#8220;family or bonus room&#8221; best use, wouldn&#8217;t the better color of a good 720P projector, or the brightness of a &#8220;business class&#8221; light cannon be serious alternatives? No solution is best for everyone.</p>
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