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Mitsubishi HC9000D 3D Projector – First Look, from CES 2011

January 12th, 2011 Art Feierman

OK, I got my second look at the HC9000D (click for specs) at CES, although it was first revealed at CEDIA last September.

Mitsubishi's new HC9000D 3D home theater projector

At that time, it was a first gen engineering sample, and had issues with the 3D.  While the sample displayed at CES last week was far better, I’m told that even that is old, compared to what is getting ready to ship.

That’s right, the Mitsubishi HC9000 projector’s first shipments are scheduled for February.  Hey, experience says, first shipments often slip.  Let’s just say my confidence that it will be “in the stores” this quarter, are very high, even if they don’t make their first half of February target.

What have we here in terms of the HC9000D?  Well, let’s start with the basics.  the HC9000 projector is an LCoS, specifically an SXRD LCoS, which means they are using Sony LCoS panels.  (I presume they are the same panels that are in the new Sony VPL-VW90ES, which is already shipping.)

Mitsubishi now tells me that the projector will be rated 1100 lumens bright, which is 100 lumens brighter than the announcement at CEDIA last year.  Contrast has also been improved to 150,000:1, but then, you regulars know that I don’t pay much mind to contrast specs for home theater projectors these days.  The reason is that the spec tells almost nothing, since manufacturers use “slight of hand” thanks to the dynamic iris.   When the review unit arrives, and I put it side by side, with others, then we’ll know how good the contrast/black level performance really is!  I’ve seen 250,000:1 contrast projectors that can’t match the black level performance of others claiming only 35,000:1… but, I digress

But let’s concentrate on the HC9000 since there’s a lot to cover:

As a 2D projector, it looks like it’s going to be a lot brighter than the lower cost HC7000, a very good, moderately priced, but not overly bright projector.  The HC9000 also has more placement flexibility.  It sports a new motorized 1.8:1 zoom, and more lens shift than previous Mitsubishi’s.  Mitsubishi says the lens shift vertically is 100%.  There are two ways of looking at the percentage.  Basically, the HC9000 can be placed anywhere in a range from 50% above the top of the screen surface, to 50% below the bottom of the screen surface.  With a 50 inch high screen (about 100″ diagonal in a 16:9 configuration), that means the center of the lens could be as high as 25 inches above the top or 25 below the bottom.  Together that’s 50 inches, or the same as the screen height – thus their 100% number.   Many reviewers instead, would say it has 50% range – 50% above and 50% below.  Don’t worry about the description, look at the actual amount of shift, to be sure.

Other highlights of the HC9000 home theater projector include a full color management system, a new physical black case that doesn’t look like previous Mitsubishi projectors.  There is also a physical color filter to refine the color accuracy when best color fidelity is called for.  I should also note the HC9000 uses Silicon Optix Reon VX image processing.  That’s the same family (newer) of processing that I have in my JVC RS20, and may other excellent projectors from the under $3K range to 10′s of thousands of dollars.

The projector offers creative frame interpolation, for both movies – 24fps, and traditional digital content at 60 fps.  What is not clear, from my conversations, questions, and the data sheets provided, is whether the projector can combine and do creative frame interpolation (motion smoothing), while doing 3D.

I’ll get back to that, when one arrives for review.

I’ve only seen one 3D projector that is at all targeted for home, in the under $20K range, that is claiming more than 1300 lumens.   That would be the 2x as expensive LG CF3D, at $15,000.  It’s more of a commercial projector, however, rather than home theater.  Also that LG uses 6 panels and passive glasses, while the Mitsubishi HC9000 3D projector uses active glasses.  The Mitsubishi 3D projector has HDMI 1.4a ports – a good thing, since Blu-Ray 3D calls for HDMI 1.4, which is still not widely used.

The HC9000 3D projector’s 1100 puts it 100 higher than the Sony, and two hundred below the JVCs.  Not much difference, and all are going to be underpowered with larger screens barring high gain screens (where they are even usable with 3D).  Considering that, the HC9000 is probably limited to looking good smaller screens – like all the  other 3D projectors.    (I do believe it will take another year, before the manufacturers realize that they need to offer at least 2400 lumens for 3D viewing by folks wanting at least 110″ diagonal screens.)

The HC9000 should prove to be an excellent projector for those wanting 3D projection, but it promises to be an even better 2D projector.   Since active glasses 3D solutions reduce brightness (typically) from 75% to almost 85%, in 3D mode, the HC9000 will be a smaller screen projector.

Don’t panic though!   Remember, 99% of all content is 2D.   If you have, say, a nice 110 inch, or 120 inch diagonal screen, and you try to fill it for 3D, I suspect you will come away feeling “dim”.   But, with most placements, you might fill your screen for 2D, and reduce it’s size from, say 120″ to 90″ on your screen.  That effectively gives you a boost in brightness.  In fact going from 120 to 90 inches works out to ending up with an image that is 75% brighter!

So, while I might watch my 2D filling my screen, Avatar, or Train your Dragon, or any other 3D content, while still not as bright in 3D on a 90 inch screen, it should get you to a reasonable brightness for viewing.

The HC9000 uses active shutter glasses.   Mitsubishi sees this time as early for 3D, and expects most buyers to buy this as a 2D projector most of the time that they might, on occasion want to check out 3D on.  That is, they believe the HC9000 is worth its price as a 2D projector, and therefore, while 3D is onboard and ready, they don’t provide any of those expensive LCD shutter glasses with the projector.  (Don’t worry, those prices will come down, but are still at least $100 a pair, usually more and several hundred for some very cool, feature laden ones.   If you are planning a superbowl party for 2012, in 3D, you are going to need a lot of active shutter glasses.   Hopefully some friends with their own 3D LCDTVs or 3D projectors will have compatible glasses that they can bring to your party.  Problem is, we’re just starting to see 3rd party universal glasses – think XPanD.  It’s going to be a real drag if the LCDTV manufacturers don’t opt for universals, as, of course, it means you won’t be able to borrow extra glasses except from those with the same, brand, and that means, you’ll have to buy as many as you have friends who want to watch… $$$

I’m looking forward to reviewing this one.  And with luck, I’ll have one right around end of January, if Mitsubishi is on target.   OK, that’s about it.  The Mitsubishi HC9000D, which I should note, most will probably call the HC9000, should be shipping within a month of this article’s publishing.  We can only hope.  I’ll be most pleased, if they can find me a good pre-production projector that I can have in, and get reviewed even before they ship the first ones to dealers.  -art

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10 Responses to “Mitsubishi HC9000D 3D Projector – First Look, from CES 2011”

  1. 1. Get back to me when you are reviewing a 3D projector with passive glasses, higher brightness, full electronic 2.4 aspect ratio, and a $2,500 price.

    2. How dumb can manufacturers be if they don’t offer compatible glasses across company lines?

    3. All production of active glasses 3D TVs should be immediately stopped. Nobody wants them. Simple as that. Polarized glasses, (or passive as they seem to be called now), are just fine in theaters, but the shutter glasses are just a nightmare for many, many people– including myself. It just isn’t worth it. Come back, manufacturers, when you’ve got something people will buy.

  2. Edwin, if only it was that easy:
    1. You will wait a bit. So far, I don’t think anyone has announced any 3D projector using passive glasses under about $5000 if that (unless 720p, not 1080p). The LG is $15K. Put a $6000 DepthQ Modulator in front of any 3D compatible projector (and many not claiming to be) and you can use passive… But, are active glasses all that bad (I use both here)? As to “electronic 2.4 aspect ratio” not sure what you mean by that – something like lens memory, or are you looking for a projector with true 2.4:1 panels?

    2. Not dumb at all. This was a given, with 20 manufacturers all designing a year or more before product ships, many ways to do 3D, no standards (yet). I suspect in another year, almost all of the glasses sold by manufacturers will be “universals”. If for no other reason than that it allows them to not drop the glasses prices as much as they would if they didn’t have something “better” to sell. Also with 3rd party, you are more likely to find glasses that don’t lose sync the second (or two) after you look away briefly.
    Besides that, with most projectors, and even LCDTVs the active glasses aren’t being included with the projectors. That allows any smart shopper to go with a universal 3rd party pair of active shutter glasses. Right now, someone with an LCDTV or projector who already has a pair or two of brand specific glasses should be wise enough to buy universals if they need more. This will work itself out.

    3. No one wants them? OK, I’ll buy that, if you also agree that no one “wants” a home theater projector that can’t put 500 lumens on the screen in best mode (even though that would be true of half of all home theater projectors, or 2500 lumens in brightest, for sports. Passive is easy, all you need is a projector several times the price, a expensive screen (that may have more hot-spotting than you are used to), etc.
    In other words always there are trade-offs. I know folks who don’t have any issue with the active glasses. They are “perfectly happy” Of course, if they were watching 80% of the content in 3D instead of 2-3%, that might change things. Look, it’s 3D with active glasses, or wait a few years for passive solutions to be more affordable.
    Remember this is (with the possible exception of gamers) early adopter year. Few will buy 3D. Even the projector manufacturers like Sony, JVC, etc. are pitching their new projectors as 2D projectors that also do 3D. Image noise for 3D is in the dark ages – like it was for 2D image noise a decade ago. Crosstalk and other noise will be better dealt with, with each of the next couple/three generations.

    Bottom line, 3D isn’t ready for us yet. There’s enough content, but if you want truly stable, great looking 3D that is as clean as 2D, I don’t think you are going to find that even with the Sony VPL-90ES or the new JVC RS series (1300 lumens, 3D), and I know the LG isn’t that clean…

    If ya can’t wait, ya jump in, and take what’s available. If you are patient, expect some real improvement next year. Since I haven’t reviewed the new JVCs or the Sony yet, (nor the Mitsubishi HC9000D, it’s hard to say how good they are, but I’m certain next year’s will be noticeably better, in performance and value. -art

  3. For ghost free, flicker free 3D go with one of the cheapo 720p 3D DLP projectors + PC + Da-Lite HP screen. Simply a great image at a bargain basement price. Are these ready for prime time – you betcha! I’ll take the 3D image from my 720p 3D Acer over that of my 2D 1080p Sony G90 CRT projector or my 2D 1080p Epson 9500 any day!

  4. Greetings Grant,
    OK sounds like you are having fun. So are you going to scrap your CRT and your Epson 9500UB, or keep them for the 98% of content which is only in 2D? I didn’t work with the Acer, but, a lot of the testing I did last summer was with two different PC “servers” provided complete with 3D players, content, etc. None of the systems I got to work with came close, however, to being ghost (crosstalk) and flicker free. I admire your luck. Have fun! -art

  5. Charles Noll Says:
    February 7th, 2011 at 10:33 am

    Grant, Can you provide more detail on your experience using the Acer 720 projector?What type of glasses do you use and is the image bright enough to be satisfying to the viewer? Does the computer provide the best source for 3D material?

    Chas.

  6. Dear Art!
    What do you think about best screen for the home theater,is it Stewart gray hawk or fire hawk G3 or another one? I am looking for electrical,diagonal 110 inch

  7. Insufficient data – what projector… 2D only? what type of ambient light? what do you watch. Most reviews of home theater projectors have a page where I give screen perspective… The screens you mention are expensive… that means if you think 3D is in your future you better consider whether the screen you are looking at can work with the type of 3D projector you buy in the future… think on that… -art

  8. I’ve enjoyed our Sanyo Z4 for several years. That said it clear technology has quantum leaped ahead. My price range is Epson 8700, LG CF181 and BENQ in the comparable model. Our media room doubles as a playroom but we limit use of the projector to evenings/dark room. I’m told the LG picture is brighter, sharper and comparable color saturation to the Epson. My other option is to wait another year and see if a 3D model emerges in the $2,500 price target with the clarity, lumens as Epson, LG.

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