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By: Rich Polins

Rich Polins — Wed, 23 Feb 2011 23:39:29 +0000

I’ve enjoyed our Sanyo Z4 for several years. That said it clear technology has quantum leaped ahead. My price range is Epson 8700, LG CF181 and BENQ in the comparable model. Our media room doubles as a playroom but we limit use of the projector to evenings/dark room. I’m told the LG picture is brighter, sharper and comparable color saturation to the Epson. My other option is to wait another year and see if a 3D model emerges in the $2,500 price target with the clarity, lumens as Epson, LG.

By: Art Feierman

Art Feierman — Wed, 16 Feb 2011 03:45:09 +0000

Insufficient data – what projector… 2D only? what type of ambient light? what do you watch. Most reviews of home theater projectors have a page where I give screen perspective… The screens you mention are expensive… that means if you think 3D is in your future you better consider whether the screen you are looking at can work with the type of 3D projector you buy in the future… think on that… -art

By: ILYA STARR

ILYA STARR — Tue, 08 Feb 2011 04:39:06 +0000

Dear Art!
What do you think about best screen for the home theater,is it Stewart gray hawk or fire hawk G3 or another one? I am looking for electrical,diagonal 110 inch

By: Charles Noll

Charles Noll — Mon, 07 Feb 2011 18:33:21 +0000

Grant, Can you provide more detail on your experience using the Acer 720 projector?What type of glasses do you use and is the image bright enough to be satisfying to the viewer? Does the computer provide the best source for 3D material?

Chas.

By: Art Feierman

Art Feierman — Sat, 22 Jan 2011 04:17:21 +0000

Greetings Grant,
OK sounds like you are having fun. So are you going to scrap your CRT and your Epson 9500UB, or keep them for the 98% of content which is only in 2D? I didn’t work with the Acer, but, a lot of the testing I did last summer was with two different PC “servers” provided complete with 3D players, content, etc. None of the systems I got to work with came close, however, to being ghost (crosstalk) and flicker free. I admire your luck. Have fun! -art

By: Grant

Grant — Sat, 22 Jan 2011 03:53:49 +0000

For ghost free, flicker free 3D go with one of the cheapo 720p 3D DLP projectors + PC + Da-Lite HP screen. Simply a great image at a bargain basement price. Are these ready for prime time – you betcha! I’ll take the 3D image from my 720p 3D Acer over that of my 2D 1080p Sony G90 CRT projector or my 2D 1080p Epson 9500 any day!

By: Art Feierman

Art Feierman — Thu, 20 Jan 2011 22:05:28 +0000

Edwin, if only it was that easy:
1. You will wait a bit. So far, I don’t think anyone has announced any 3D projector using passive glasses under about $5000 if that (unless 720p, not 1080p). The LG is $15K. Put a $6000 DepthQ Modulator in front of any 3D compatible projector (and many not claiming to be) and you can use passive… But, are active glasses all that bad (I use both here)? As to “electronic 2.4 aspect ratio” not sure what you mean by that – something like lens memory, or are you looking for a projector with true 2.4:1 panels?

2. Not dumb at all. This was a given, with 20 manufacturers all designing a year or more before product ships, many ways to do 3D, no standards (yet). I suspect in another year, almost all of the glasses sold by manufacturers will be “universals”. If for no other reason than that it allows them to not drop the glasses prices as much as they would if they didn’t have something “better” to sell. Also with 3rd party, you are more likely to find glasses that don’t lose sync the second (or two) after you look away briefly.
Besides that, with most projectors, and even LCDTVs the active glasses aren’t being included with the projectors. That allows any smart shopper to go with a universal 3rd party pair of active shutter glasses. Right now, someone with an LCDTV or projector who already has a pair or two of brand specific glasses should be wise enough to buy universals if they need more. This will work itself out.

3. No one wants them? OK, I’ll buy that, if you also agree that no one “wants” a home theater projector that can’t put 500 lumens on the screen in best mode (even though that would be true of half of all home theater projectors, or 2500 lumens in brightest, for sports. Passive is easy, all you need is a projector several times the price, a expensive screen (that may have more hot-spotting than you are used to), etc.
In other words always there are trade-offs. I know folks who don’t have any issue with the active glasses. They are “perfectly happy” Of course, if they were watching 80% of the content in 3D instead of 2-3%, that might change things. Look, it’s 3D with active glasses, or wait a few years for passive solutions to be more affordable.
Remember this is (with the possible exception of gamers) early adopter year. Few will buy 3D. Even the projector manufacturers like Sony, JVC, etc. are pitching their new projectors as 2D projectors that also do 3D. Image noise for 3D is in the dark ages – like it was for 2D image noise a decade ago. Crosstalk and other noise will be better dealt with, with each of the next couple/three generations.

Bottom line, 3D isn’t ready for us yet. There’s enough content, but if you want truly stable, great looking 3D that is as clean as 2D, I don’t think you are going to find that even with the Sony VPL-90ES or the new JVC RS series (1300 lumens, 3D), and I know the LG isn’t that clean…

If ya can’t wait, ya jump in, and take what’s available. If you are patient, expect some real improvement next year. Since I haven’t reviewed the new JVCs or the Sony yet, (nor the Mitsubishi HC9000D, it’s hard to say how good they are, but I’m certain next year’s will be noticeably better, in performance and value. -art

By: Edwin Jaehn

Edwin Jaehn — Thu, 13 Jan 2011 19:31:20 +0000

1. Get back to me when you are reviewing a 3D projector with passive glasses, higher brightness, full electronic 2.4 aspect ratio, and a $2,500 price.

2. How dumb can manufacturers be if they don’t offer compatible glasses across company lines?

3. All production of active glasses 3D TVs should be immediately stopped. Nobody wants them. Simple as that. Polarized glasses, (or passive as they seem to be called now), are just fine in theaters, but the shutter glasses are just a nightmare for many, many people– including myself. It just isn’t worth it. Come back, manufacturers, when you’ve got something people will buy.