Comments on: CES 2013: The Wonderful World of 4K Ultra-HD and 3D – Our Time Has Almost Come http://www.projectorreviews.com/blog/2013/01/21/ces-2013-the-wonderful-world-of-4k-ultra-hd-and-3d-our-time-has-almost-come/ Thoughts on home theater projectors being reviewed, related products, and tips for users Fri, 03 May 2013 09:55:52 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1 By: Luke http://www.projectorreviews.com/blog/2013/01/21/ces-2013-the-wonderful-world-of-4k-ultra-hd-and-3d-our-time-has-almost-come/comment-page-1/#comment-520931 Luke Thu, 28 Feb 2013 12:44:48 +0000 http://www.projectorreviews.com/blog/?p=1940#comment-520931 I think you forget one thing: HFR. Especially if you talk about importance 3D, you should point out that having HFR will improve the 3D experience a lot. At least that was my impression from watchin the Hobbit in 3D HFR, and it is also what I heard from many others. Yes, some people complain about "soap opera" effect. But just like with 3D, the producers will need to learn how to use the new technology to give a really pleasant experience. First 3D movies were quite flawed, but the recent ones have used the effect excellently. Same will happen with HFR, movie makers will learn how to use it properly, and how to avoid e.g. "speedup" effects. One downside of all currently available 4K solutions is that they do not support 4K content in HFR. Even the latest HDMI 1.4 does only support 24fps with 4K resolutions. New standards would be required to support 4K, 3D and HFR at the same time, and I did not hear that anything like that is planned at all currently. They have enough to do to define and bring out BluRays in 4K 3D 24fps. In 2 years we might have the 4K 3D projectors, but by then, most blockbusters will probably be shown in HFR. And again our costy equipment cannot compete with what we see in cinema. I think, now is a good time to buy a really good 2K 3D projector, and then I can wait some more years until either 4K 3D has bekome really cheap, or I wait even a bit longer until 4K 3D HFR is standardized and well in the market. I think, we do not need more resolution than 8K. 4K is razor sharp, there is not much left to improve there. Frame rate however is really low right now, and can easily boosted to 2x or 3x what we have now, with tremendous effect. If we have a standard that supports 4K, 3D at say 60fps, that would be excellent, I do not see much room for improvement there. I think you forget one thing: HFR. Especially if you talk about importance 3D, you should point out that having HFR will improve the 3D experience a lot. At least that was my impression from watchin the Hobbit in 3D HFR, and it is also what I heard from many others. Yes, some people complain about “soap opera” effect. But just like with 3D, the producers will need to learn how to use the new technology to give a really pleasant experience. First 3D movies were quite flawed, but the recent ones have used the effect excellently. Same will happen with HFR, movie makers will learn how to use it properly, and how to avoid e.g. “speedup” effects.

One downside of all currently available 4K solutions is that they do not support 4K content in HFR. Even the latest HDMI 1.4 does only support 24fps with 4K resolutions. New standards would be required to support 4K, 3D and HFR at the same time, and I did not hear that anything like that is planned at all currently. They have enough to do to define and bring out BluRays in 4K 3D 24fps.

In 2 years we might have the 4K 3D projectors, but by then, most blockbusters will probably be shown in HFR. And again our costy equipment cannot compete with what we see in cinema.

I think, now is a good time to buy a really good 2K 3D projector, and then I can wait some more years until either 4K 3D has bekome really cheap, or I wait even a bit longer until 4K 3D HFR is standardized and well in the market.

I think, we do not need more resolution than 8K. 4K is razor sharp, there is not much left to improve there. Frame rate however is really low right now, and can easily boosted to 2x or 3x what we have now, with tremendous effect. If we have a standard that supports 4K, 3D at say 60fps, that would be excellent, I do not see much room for improvement there.

]]> By: Art Feierman http://www.projectorreviews.com/blog/2013/01/21/ces-2013-the-wonderful-world-of-4k-ultra-hd-and-3d-our-time-has-almost-come/comment-page-1/#comment-508480 Art Feierman Tue, 12 Feb 2013 22:05:30 +0000 http://www.projectorreviews.com/blog/?p=1940#comment-508480 Edwin, Sorry you haven't found active glasses that work for you. (sort of surprising, most folks can either see 3D well (regardless of glasses type - active or passive, or they can't. But, moving on... So far, other than expensive conversion of active to passive, there really isn't anything using passive glasses in home theater projectors, at least not under some $40K plus Runco projectors. However, we just received the first passive 3D solution for education, a two projector stack. I'll be reviewing it in about 3 weeks... It won't have the home theater attributes we desire (like great blacks) but it's a start, so who knows. Edwin,

Sorry you haven’t found active glasses that work for you. (sort of surprising, most folks can either see 3D well (regardless of glasses type – active or passive, or they can’t. But, moving on…

So far, other than expensive conversion of active to passive, there really isn’t anything using passive glasses in home theater projectors, at least not under some $40K plus Runco projectors.

However, we just received the first passive 3D solution for education, a two projector stack. I’ll be reviewing it in about 3 weeks… It won’t have the home theater attributes we desire (like great blacks) but it’s a start, so who knows.

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I too love 3d and I have a question. Would you tell me how the benq w7000 is superior to the benq w1070 in the 3d image? I need to make a purchase decision by next week and I already have a mitsubishi hc4900 which I’ve been using for the past few years.

Thanks,

Michael T.

]]> By: Edwin C. Jaehn http://www.projectorreviews.com/blog/2013/01/21/ces-2013-the-wonderful-world-of-4k-ultra-hd-and-3d-our-time-has-almost-come/comment-page-1/#comment-480537 Edwin C. Jaehn Tue, 22 Jan 2013 18:40:23 +0000 http://www.projectorreviews.com/blog/?p=1940#comment-480537 Art, Great article. However... I get dizzy and/or nauseous when viewing shutter glasses for 3D. Watching LG 3D TVs (at BestBuy) with the polarized glassess, I have no symptoms. Of course, I have watched several 3D movies at theatres-- with the polarized lenses. Unless there will be 3D projectors with polarized glasses within the next 6 months or a year, I will buy a nice 55 or 60 inch LG 3D TV. If one watches a good movie, it is very easy to get immersed without the 3D. So, I have a hard time thinking that I can only get immersed by 3D. Art,
Great article. However… I get dizzy and/or nauseous when viewing shutter glasses for 3D. Watching LG 3D TVs (at BestBuy) with the polarized glassess, I have no symptoms. Of course, I have watched several 3D movies at theatres– with the polarized lenses. Unless there will be 3D projectors with polarized glasses within the next 6 months or a year, I will buy a nice 55 or 60 inch LG 3D TV.

If one watches a good movie, it is very easy to get immersed without the 3D. So, I have a hard time thinking that I can only get immersed by 3D.

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