The Art of Home Theater Projectors

Cinetron HD700 Home Theater Projector – A First Look Review

Greetings,

A Cine-what?  Ok, stop that, this is actually their second projector.  The first I saw a couple few years ago.   I had originally planned to just blog about this Cinetron HD700.

Let me point out first that this is an LCoS projector.  I’m not exactly sure about its price, but the word is that it’s going to show up in one of the big box houses (more as I’m allowed to tell it), bundled with an Elite Screen.

The LCoS powered Cinetron HD700 is very bright in best mode!

The LCoS powered Cinetron HD700 is very bright in best mode!

It would seem that Elite has put the whole deal together.  For many years we’ve heard talk and seen samples of LCoS projectors coming out of China.  (For all I know the Sony and JVC LCoS projectors may be built there, or at least in part).  No matter.  BTW, the price I’m hearing for that bundle is $2999, but that’s unconfirmed.  If that’s the case, it puts the projector in roughly the $2500 range.

I had originally considered price, and what I knew about it, combined with its relatively unknown moniker, and basic performance from a a couple of hours of viewing, and originally figured:  OK, a nice (almost) first effort.

I observed a few things that I asked Mike to look into, but, based on my first impression which was “another LCoS projector with 600+ lumens in best mode”, it really looked like a direct competitor to the Sony VPL-HW15 but without a dynamic iris (it has a manual one), and, therefore, as no surprise,  no match in black level performance.

I figured, OK, I like the folks at Elite, I’ll do a blog.  I’ll have Mike measure it, but not bother to calibrate it.  My thinking was that most likely since it has all the controls (and didn’t look too bad, just a bit too cool, out of the box), it would calibrate nicely, but why bother?

Does the world really need a projector similar to the rather nice Sony VPL-HW15, selling for the same price, but with noticeably inferior black level performance?   I figured not really, and I couldn’t figure out what about the Cinetron HD700 that would make it “shine” at least in one area, relative to the competition.

Stop right there!   Mike just dropped off the Cinetron HD700, and also his report with the measurements he came up with.

Lo! and Behold!  Mike found the Cinetron’s true purpose for existence. (sounds very eastern?).  That is, he found the one thing that sets the Cinetron apart, (besides almost sharp corners).

Suspense got you yet?

OK, Here’s the thing.  Before I share, many of you know the basic guidelines for winning a Hot Product Award, around here.  A projector must have something about it, that makes it about the best possible choice, for at least a small, but significant number of potential owners.  That is, it has to stand out at something.  Well, any projector should do that, but, they don’t all.  And while there are many unique features, not all such projectors are worthy of the award.

Well, the Cinetron has that one thing going for it, and it turns out, it’s Best mode brightness.  The Cinetron, which I knew from watching, had decent lumens, was already brighter than my JVC RS20, but with almost 800 hours on the JVC, the lamp has already shed a bunch of lumens, and that didn’t tell me much.

Turns out the Cinetron HD-700, before calibration, managed an extremely impressive 868 lumens in Theatre mode, and 890 in User modes.    No serious 3LCD or LCoS projector had yet to measure that many, (though some are close) Dynamic managed 961 lumens.  All measurements, of course are with the zoom in the mid-point of its zoom range.

And that folks changes the ballgame.  The Sony, post calibration managed only 536 lumens, the Cinetron HD700 is therefore about 62% brighter, and that is “change” worth considering.

As noted, in  brightest mode, the Cinetron HD700 measured almost 1000 lumens – 961 to be precise.  The Sony, by comparison has only low 600 lumens in brightest mode, unless you go totally “cool” with a color temp over 10,000 (can you say “almost unwatchable”?), and even then, only 800 or so lumens.

So, what we have here is perhaps the brightest of the LCoS projectors.  Not that much brighter than the JVC models, but, even the JVC DLA-RS15, and it’s DLA-HD550 twin, aren’t quite as bright, and both sell for more than $4000, not $2500!

Bottom line:  Mike walked in, we looked at the measurements, talked about it briefly, I told him to pick the Cinetron HD700 back up, haul it back to his place (again) and plan to do our full calibration on it.

The Cinetron HD700 will be getting a full review.  Look for it, to publish before the end of January.  We may just have a very interesting piece to put in our puzzle.  As indicated, it will clobber the Sony in lumens, but likely lose by a healthy margin in terms of black level performance.  It certainly will clobber the Epson or Panasonic 3LCD projectors, in terms of best mode brightness, and also lose to them in black level comparisons, and on the DLP side, well, that should be really interesting.  The BenQ W6000 is no slouch when it comes to lumens (it’s got more than the Cinetron), but like the Cinetron, it’s blacks aren’t up to the other, mentioned projectors.

It could prove to be interesting.

OK, it’s wrap it up time.  The Cinetron is fairly large.  It’s case is metal, black, almost sharp edges.  It dissipates heat easily, between its large size, and metal case (with “fins”), and it’s fairly quiet.

It’s good respectable placement flexibility, with adjustable lens shift.  The lens itself, is a zoom of course, with slightly more than 1.4:1 zoom range.  (that’s less than the Sony’s 1.6:1…).

For the rest, stay tuned for the full review!  -art

News And Comments

  • Sully

    Very interesting! Can’t wait to see the HD700 against the LG CF 181D!

  • Hugo

    Hello Art,

    Any news on the LG CF181D? It looks like one helluva bright LCOS light canon. At least according to that other site. I’m kinda waiting on your review to upgrade.

    I’ve been wanting to upgrade my Sharp XV-Z3000 for months now but can’t make up my mind on anything. I’d probably would have gone with the Panny AE-4000 but the Canadian price is outrageous. An alarming number of people (I know, but more than usual) on avsforum seem to have problems with the Epson 8500ub, and its response time is pretty slow which might not be ideal for gaming. The W6000 is interesting but looks as noisy as my freakin loud Z3000. Arggggghhh. Help!

    • http://www.projectorreviews.com/members/lisasonfeier/ Lisa Feierman

      Still trying to track one down. I’ll let everyone know, as soon as I have something definitive. -art

  • dean

    off the topic I was just wondering if there is to be any good led projectors for theatre purpose coming out.

    • http://www.projectorreviews.com/members/lisasonfeier/ Lisa Feierman

      Hi Dean,

      LED seems to be coming slowly. We reviewed a Vivitek LED light source, home theater projector a few months ago. So far, though, they have been expensive (over $10K), with the LED light source, so far, being too expensive to be rationalized. However, we haven’t seen the first batch of “competitive LED pjs yet” Most likely this coming fall we’ll see some reasonably priced ones. (we can only hope!) -art

  • Sully

    Hi Art, I am looking for a 1080p projector to replace my outstanding Infocus In76. My budget is @ $3000 and the current LCD projectors in this price range don’t appeal to me. Love the look of DLP but willing to try LCOS/SXRD (LG CF 181D, Cinetron HD700). The new Infocus SP8602 seems promising (just might have to scrape up more pennies the next six months!). Have light controlled theater and possibly @120″ HC gray sreen size. Can’t wait to see these projectors go to war! The choice of my next projector will be based on the review of these anticipated machines. Any news or blogs is greatly helpful! Thanks.

  • Scott

    Any news on the Ben Q, it seems to have disappeared from the site…lol

    • http://www.projectorreviews.com/members/lisasonfeier/ Lisa Feierman

      Ahh Scott, same old, same old.

      On 1/7 they emailed they had one for me, but it never materialized. Now they are sending me their 720p W600 “3D capable” projector instead. I’ve also asked their online dealer if they can spare one. Other than that, not much I can do. I don’t have the budget to go out and buy projectors just so I can review them, so they come, usually from the manufacturer, and once or twice a year, I’ll borrow one from a dealer.

  • http://www.mediasluis.nl Matthieu

    Great news Art, this HD700.
    All competition, makes future prices even better for us custumors

    • http://www.projectorreviews.com/members/lisasonfeier/ Lisa Feierman

      Matthieu, very true. Another player is generally a good thing. I’m pretty much done working with the Cinetron, and am starting to write it up, tonight. It will publish this weekend (you know the drill), probably late Sunday night, which more often than not, ends up being Monday night. The Grammy Awards are big things here, every year, we have a small party. I’m huge on music, was so, long before there was “home theater”, and my daughter performs musical theater, etc. But, we’ll get it done as quick as can be.

      It’s been a roller coaster of a review. I’ve had mixed, and changing feelings since it began. At first glance, I wasn’t sure it was competitive enough to be worth reviewing. Then, I noticed it puts out an extremely bright “best” mode, which always gets my attention, and immediately changed my mind about whether to review it or not.

      The rest, will be in the review. hang in there! -a